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  1. Where did you come up with the notion that container based tiny homes are easier to finance? FHA/VA/USDA all DO NOT ALLOW container based manufactured homes, but do allow single wide (VA) and double wide manufactured homes for their mortgage programs. Just curious. It makes your argument against container homes better. FYI, I have not found any lender programs for container based homes as of yet.

  2. This is the most disgustingly biased article I have ever read. As the owner of a shipping container construction, this is a grotesquely skewed opinion piece. Let’s set some facts straight.

    Design and Style – Anything is achievable with a container home. A simple pinterest or google search will show that the possibilities are endless, and due to the awesome strength of the components themselves, much more intricate designs are possible than have ever been achieved by a traditional manufactured home. Our home are STANDARD with granite, LED lighting, hardwood lower cabinets, real wood flooring throughout, base door and crown molding, industrial AC and Cabinetry, and TONS of other high-end, custom features mobile homes can’t come close to. As far as flexibility of design, go head up to the mobile home factory tell them you’d like to sit with their designers and fashion a custom home. I doubt you’ll get anything but a laugh in the face and ushered of the premises.

    Permits and Regulations – Every city municipality we have contacted thus far welcomes us with open arms. For an example of one of our builds, check out 910 Wyoming in San Antonio, TX. You could NEVER bring a traditional manufactured home in to the city, while that specific home stands a block and a half from the Alamodome. Check out the view from the 3rd story, concrete roof top deck.

    Cost and Financing – Let’s get real here. Real costs. I’ll compare and FHA land home package for a manufactured home to an ISBU (Intermodal Steel Building Unit) home aka container home. to procure a land home package for a traditional manufactured home of like size to the aforementioned example we built, a double wide of like size will be used for this example. a 1600 square foot home built to HUD standards will never appraise for the necessary financing so it will have to be built to MODULAR code thus increasing the cost due to the fact that they cut some serious corners in HUD homes. The average cost increase is $7500 per section for double wides, and the companies that have their modular license build midlevel to high end homes, the least expensive of which are 85-110K. Land is an unknown variable, but the expenses to improve property will almost always be more on average due to what is required to make the land ready to receive a home. Costs hanging around an average of 35K for a FULL improvements package for raw land.

    Now let’s talk about a container home. I have 1600 square foot models that I can construct ANYWHERE starting at $140K, and our typical FULL improvements package averages 15-20K so let’s call it 17,500 for raw property.

    So container home – $157,500 modular home – $132,500. 98.43/sqft vs 82.81/sqft yep, about $16 per square foot difference. Now let’s talk about the COST TO BUY versus COST TO OWN. I have TONS of lenders with below market interest rates ready to lend on my product anywhere in the country, whereas manufactured homes are only financed by a handful of banks. Typically, with an average of 8% interest or VERY high closing costs to offset the rate at which homeowners abandon the $28/sqft model you mentioned in the article due to dilapidation. So even though the amount is less, the payment is MORE due to extra fees.

    ALSO and more importantly, let’s talk about resale. When the home-buyer goes to sell, they are fed a line about how their home will be a modular and appraises the very same as a site built (the fact they’re trying to compare to it tells you they aren’t even as good as that, but we’ll get there eventually). It is a known and indisputable fact that mobile home depreciate HORRIBLY no matter if they are HUD or MOD. The simple fact is, anything in life is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay and NO ONE will pay more for a used old mobile home than a new mobile home. In comparison, all the models we have produced have sold for more or appraised higher IMMEDIATELY after the owner possession and anytime thereafter.

    Now let’s chat about what wasn’t discussed strength, cost of ownership and longevity. Container homes are the strongest structures cost per square foot you can buy HANDS DOWN. Nothing else comes close. They exceed ICC commercial building codes exponentially in every measured category, a standard which isn’t even attainable by a mobile home. Installed on the proper foundation, any type of ISBU or container structure is tested to be F3 tornado proof, Cat 5 hurricane proof, 55 x safe in an earthquake than any other conventional structure, and have incredible fire resistance due to the super tight, corten steel shell which also aids considerably in insulation and energy conservation.

    As for cost of ownership and longevity, independent engineering and architectural study calls our homes “nearly eternal structures” where as some banks cut the financing terms on some budget homes due them not even lasting the term of the loan. How sad…

    In summation, if safety, creativity, longevity, monthly payment, resale, usability, cost of ownership, peace of mind and overall quality of life are LESS important than $16 per square foot, then yes, I am inclined to agree with the author. On the other hand, If those things are worth $16, we are here to help.

  3. OK, every body has the right to express theirselves, but its a pity when you publish things that are not right, may be by not being well informed, or any other reason. like this article
    First of all there are no shipping container with a hight of 14′. If you want to build your Shipping Container Home, there are many Counties, Municipalities, etc. that do not approve them, and if they do, they have to make it public to the neighbors, and they all need to vote either for yes or now, and then you can continue with the permits, that are not easy to comply, because you start with a big “NO” beforehand. Of course as everything in life it will depend in the city, municipality, inspector, whoever has to decide if you will or will not get the permit, and always complying with the local construction codes of course.
    Price wise you can go to amazon and by one for $35,000 or Ebay and buy a Shipping Container House for$87,600 (53′ FT Shipping Container Home -424 Sqft – Brand New – Made in USA).

  4. Are you serious that “a couple in Louisiana” actually spent $185,000 on fixing up two 40′ shipping containers? Yes you can find many examples where people spend too much but, this seems very high. Shipping container houses can cost less then conventional homes or manufactured homes per square foot. Maybe this couple compares to people who can afford $300 to $1000 shoes while most of us cant. I buy my $100 dollar shoes on sale for $60 or so and only after the old ones are worn out (very worn out).

    While we are on the subject, how about the claim that once you cut into the container it looses all of it’s strength? It is true it can no longer be stacked 8 high full of goods and shipped across the ocean. However, they can be stacked 4 high with doors and windows in them. If most of the sides are cut away for extensive windows, it stands to reason that you may only stack 3 high. By the way, how many manufactured homes can you stack on top of each other? Oh that’s right, you can’t.

    I feel the need to respond to the comment “Now a new shipping container will have to be built to replace the one used for a house”. It cost less for China to make a new one then to ship the container back. So long as there is a huge trade trade deficit with china, the U.S. (along with many other nations) will have a huge surplus of shipping containers just sitting at shipping ports doing nothing but taking up space. This is why it makes sense to use them for something and not just let them sit there unused. Shipping containers are being used as housing in many countries around the world.

    Manufactured homes are a viable choice and so are shipping containers.

  5. I looked for a long time at manufactured vs Shipping Container conversion. The new and the older manufactured just weren’t my style – for the most part, low ceilings, weird (to me) windows, way too much plastic, such small spaces (even in 1700 sq ft), cardboard all tarted up to resemble super traditional interiors, everything I was anxious to leave behind – what I liked about the containers were the simplicity & quality of the materials, the floor plans, the style, their re use of a resource..but of course the cost was wild. I kept looking and found a (California cheap) 1988 Baron, that was already open planned, high(ish) ceilings, an excellent placement vis a vis the sun….and proceeded to tear it apart. Essentially I replaced all the offending materials, new kitchen cabinets, Caesar stone counters, removed the upper cabinets, new floor, new interior doors, incl some ‘sliding barn style, and panelled & painted some of the walls…..very early California Ranch (1949) was my idea and we are real close….
    The remodel has been time consuming and there have been a few surprises but overall I can see the end result. I’m glad I kept looking at manufactured/trailer homes.

    1. Hi Julibelle!

      I would love to see (and share) your home! I’ve seen a Baron and the one thing I noticed about it was the high roof pitch. That’s one of the easiest ways to get a manufactured home to look more like a site-built home (if that’s what you want).

      Unfortunately, most dealerships keep the low and mid-level models on the lots. They will tell you everything can be upgraded but that doesn’t help much – you need to see the upgrades!

      If you’d be interested in sharing your home please email me at crystaladkins@mobilehomeliving.org. Thanks so much for reading and commenting!

  6. I like the idea of re purposing and the containers are an empty canvas to create something amazing………..but it is a trend right now. People will spend ungodly amounts of money on a few containers rather than live in a manufactured home. I bought my 1989 single wide on its own lot owner financed. My home will be paid for in about two years and I am doing improvements myself with the exception of the new metal roof. My home will be paid for in far less time and interest than I would have paid for a stick built house. That makes more sense to me than anything else I could have purchased.

  7. Glorified dumpsters for people who like to burn money. Like buying a Cadillac Escalade over a Chevy Suburban. Or a condo over a manufactured home, where you only “own” the air space between the walls. Like $400 jean that look like they’ve been used by someone with an actual dirty job.

    I’d live in my car before I’d spend the money on a scam like a shipping container, no matter how nice it was inside.

    Someone truly cognizant of their environmental impact would buy something already constructed and go from there. How many new materials were used just to bring the container to a livable state ? What about the environmental impact of that ?

    Crystal, your $5000 trailer was the real repurposing. It might have fallen into disrepair and gone into a landfill. Now a new shipping container will have to be built to replace the one used for a house, with all it’s energy intense construction to mine the ore to make the metal, the waste, the pollution to melt the ore and turn it into steel, etc etc etc.

    Sorry. No environmental cred from me. The mobile home industry has always been efficient and innovative [something the so called “tiny house” movement should study] and is still forward thinking as opposed to the centuries old way of building stick houses with all it’s attendant waste of resources.

    As well, I’m no “greenie”, but have found my frugal nature is Earth friendly: no buying just to get the “newest” thing when something I have does the same thing and still works. No 4WD SUV to keep up with the trend. I wouldn’t want to have to feed one.

    I am an “accidental environmentalist”. A shipping container turned into a house is just trying too hard to prove one is environmentally “enlightened”. But it does work well for people who want to tell the world they’ve got money and they’re “woke” to the plight of the “plan-it”.

    Sorry. I’m not buying into it. Part of a move to lower expectations when it comes to housing. Builders can’t or won’t target first time buyers like William Levitt. And entry level buyers won’t overpay for the sort of crap shacks being built that they mortgage their lives forever to say they “own”, if they have a lick of sense. So what we get is the glamorization of tiny houses and trash receptacles as full time living possibilities.

    I’ll take the “trailer” stigma and raise them money in the bank and no debt. And a little architectural design.

    Very well written Crystal. Please excuse my gassy response. I just resent this attempt to pass off shipping containers as environmentally sensitive housing as an alternative to standard housing rather than the expensive showy statement by limousine greenies it really is. “Look at me. See how green I am ?”